tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post8882925905518962490..comments2023-11-05T22:12:50.570+11:00Comments on Daphne Anson: Two States: Beware Shimon Peres's Disingenuous Claim, declares David SingerDaphne Ansonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-79206936357449603062015-11-03T09:58:24.333+11:002015-11-03T09:58:24.333+11:00Anonymous
I am not interested in kicking Peres - ...Anonymous<br /><br />I am not interested in kicking Peres - only in confronting and rebutting his opinions - which in the case of Rabin's vision - was clearly and demonstrably wrong as I pointed out.<br /><br />Peres's statements in the Jerusalem Post clearly indicated the wisdom of rally organisers refusing Peres the right to speak at the rally and probably repeating his false claims in the Jerusalem Post as to Rabin's vision and legacy.<br /><br />What is even more shocking however was Rabin's grandson speaking at the rally where he brazenly called on Israel to recognize a Palestinian State - something that was anathema to Yitzchak Rabin, an insult to his late grandfather's blessed memory and virtually an echo of what Peres had said in the Jerusalem Post.<br /><br />These attempts at Rabin Revisionism need to be exposed every time they are made.<br /><br />David Singer -https://www.blogger.com/profile/18281274914728257734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-92195035790405828392015-11-03T08:18:02.778+11:002015-11-03T08:18:02.778+11:00Interesting comment. Thank you.Interesting comment. Thank you.Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-16003256065995104332015-11-03T07:17:55.859+11:002015-11-03T07:17:55.859+11:00Peres was not invited to speak at the memorial ral...Peres was not invited to speak at the memorial rally, despite the passionate plea last Friday on radio by Judy-Shalom-Nir-Moses (whose IQ is about that of what was Rabin's), which is probably why Peres stuck his oar in first. If he was an honest man, he would have returned the Nobel "Peace" prize years ago. He has the blood of some 1,500 murdered Israelis on his hands. I personally know at least 12 families one of whose relatives was murdered as a result of Peres's actions.<br />I was once cut off from an Israeli radio talk show because I stated the simple fact that Peres never served in the IDF. <br />The only times in his life that he has sweated, have been on the many occasions when he was about to lose another election. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-47997382207126372812015-10-30T13:43:29.441+11:002015-10-30T13:43:29.441+11:00I was trying (I know, it's a stretch) to give ...I was trying (I know, it's a stretch) to give Peres a generous benefit of the doubt. I agree 100% that he appears to be not only backing a certain loser in Abbas, but a loser that long ago (7 of the past 11 years) lost the backing of his own people.borhanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12498562348810596899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-24998786370498017232015-10-30T12:06:06.355+11:002015-10-30T12:06:06.355+11:00Empress
No one can say with certainty what would h...Empress<br />No one can say with certainty what would have happened to Rabin's vision had Rabin not been assassinated - so it is really pointless to speculate on any possible outcome.<br /><br />What we do know however for sure are the following facts:<br />1. Rabin publicly presented a detailed vision to the Knesset of where Israel with Rabin as its leader wanted to end in its dispute with the Palestinian Arabs.<br />2. This vision was presented in 1995 - when conditions in Judea and Samaria and indeed the Arab World were very different to those in 2015.<br />3. No other Israeli leader since has publicly presented such a detailed vision.<br />4. Peres's attempt to mislead the public in 2015 as to Rabin's vision is to be deplored. That was what I was at pains to point out in my article in the hope that this "two-state" nonsense uttered by Peres as Rabin's legacy would not take on a life of its own by repetition over and over again.David Singer -https://www.blogger.com/profile/18281274914728257734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-7567997155121868002015-10-30T11:38:15.445+11:002015-10-30T11:38:15.445+11:00Borhani
An interesting observation about whether ...Borhani<br /><br />An interesting observation about whether Peres was referring to Israel and Jordan as the "two-state solution". I doubt that he was since Israel (1948) and (1946) Jordan have been the two successor States in 95% of the former Mandate for Palestine for more than 65 years.<br /><br />Obviously Jordan and Israel is the only two-state solution capable of allocating sovereignty of the West Bank between their respective States. If Peres hopped on to that solution he would be on a winner. Whilst he regards Abbas as "a partner for peace" he is backing a certain loser.David Singer -https://www.blogger.com/profile/18281274914728257734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-10911585031422511882015-10-30T02:41:13.150+11:002015-10-30T02:41:13.150+11:00Had Rabin not been killed, we would be in essentia...Had Rabin not been killed, we would be in essentially the same position as we are now. Why? Because there was a shrewdness to Rabin's talking out of both sides of his mouth. What he pushed was a non-strategy strategy. He was doing what many since have advocated - that is - simply agreeing to anything and everything the Arabs demand and letting them fall back and refuse to accept what they were given. This would have been an entirely sound approach. Meet the Arabs and smile and agree to everything - not actually execute on those agreements. And then sit back and wait for the Arabs to scream and pout and whine that 110% of what they just demanded isn't enough. They would continually demand more and more and Rabin could have continued to smile and agree to it. Again, w/o ever having to honor it because the Arabs will never stop escalating their demands. <br /><br />We would be in essentially the same place now except the Israelis would be smiling and agreeing to insane things that no one believes are rational or capture any meaningful solution to anything. This is after all what the Arabs game plan has always been - to run out the clock. So play that game on their terms. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-25556698707774048952015-10-29T12:27:04.214+11:002015-10-29T12:27:04.214+11:00I agree with David Singer that Prime Minister Rabi...I agree with David Singer that Prime Minister Rabin's last speech to the Knesset is absolutely clear with respect to a "two-state solution" --- he never used the term. To the contrary, he made clear that, in his view, the Palestinian "entity" would be "an entity which is less than a state". <br /><br />Furthermore, I think Rabin indicated clearly that Israel would maintain, under a negotiated "permanent solution," something close to the 70% of the West Bank under full Israeli control in October 1995 (the so-called "Area C"). I think his statements with regard to an undivided Jerusalem, settlements, including organic growth, security borders, and roads and other infrastructure, bolster this interpretation.<br /><br />Tellingly, he also made clear his realism regarding what many authors of late point to as the *real* issue --- Palestinian intransigent unwillingness to recognize Israel's right to exist or the 3000+ years of historical connection of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel:<br /><br />"We are aware of the fact that the Palestinian Authority has not -- up until now -- honored its commitment to change the Palestinian Covenant, and that all of the promises on this matter have not been kept. I would like to bring it to the attention of the members of the house that I view these changes as a supreme test of the Palestinian Authority's willingness and ability..." As the world knows, 20 years on, we're all still waiting.<br /><br />It is noteworthy, perhaps, that President Peres began his Oct. 25, 2015 Jerusalem Post article with the date "July 13, 1992," nearly three and one-half years *before* Rabin's last Knesset speech. What key event transpired between July 1992 and October 1995? The peace treaty between Israel and Jordan. Could Peres' reference to "two states for two peoples," and in fact much else that he wrote in the article, be understood to be referring to Israel (State One) and Jordan (State Two)?<br />borhanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12498562348810596899noreply@blogger.com