tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post7739326677928003414..comments2023-11-05T22:12:50.570+11:00Comments on Daphne Anson: "A Very Worrying Development": The Rebranding Of NGO BibleLandsDaphne Ansonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-11225645298130437532017-02-08T22:31:26.407+11:002017-02-08T22:31:26.407+11:00Actually, I was describing Empress Trudy's pos...Actually, I was describing Empress Trudy's post as naughty.Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-31166117644613839622017-02-08T21:43:41.212+11:002017-02-08T21:43:41.212+11:00Thank you Geofff. I was wondering whether or not ...Thank you Geofff. I was wondering whether or not it was good to donate to 'Embrace the Middle East'. Your vitriolic sarcastic comments have confirmed to me that it is, especially as Daphne seems not to think that they are anything more than 'naughty'. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-43101811297025119732016-11-22T04:36:24.125+11:002016-11-22T04:36:24.125+11:00"as any street survey in East Jerusalem would..."as any street survey in East Jerusalem would SURELY reveal. "<br />So that is not evidence it is supposition. Spurious argument Fenordinandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04292590735912147223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-28441593396340178822015-12-09T01:01:43.471+11:002015-12-09T01:01:43.471+11:00We haven't the right to turn the other cheek f...We haven't the right to turn the other cheek for others. Especially those who need protecting.Tony Conradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02346695322947517602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-54742987099589352012012-08-15T16:24:33.326+10:002012-08-15T16:24:33.326+10:00sorry for the mangled grammar - poor editing...sorry for the mangled grammar - poor editing...Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-87127065090597405622012-08-15T16:23:46.619+10:002012-08-15T16:23:46.619+10:00Naughty! They do, however, appear to be turning th...Naughty! They do, however, appear to be turning the other cheek so far that they are unable to see that ME Christians are forced to be embrace sharia.Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-77639885890335394442012-08-15T16:19:04.684+10:002012-08-15T16:19:04.684+10:00Yhanks,geoff - will take a look as soon as the cat...Yhanks,geoff - will take a look as soon as the cat's fed and watered ...Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-21473703308510692352012-08-15T12:25:05.193+10:002012-08-15T12:25:05.193+10:00Hi Dapne
I've been blogging on this at the J...Hi Dapne<br /><br /><br />I've been blogging on this at the Joint<br /><br />thanks<br />http://geofffff.blogspot.com.au/<br />geoffffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056725010151459750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-12977864117581880712012-08-15T08:19:28.372+10:002012-08-15T08:19:28.372+10:00"Daphne - thanks for the free plug! Our old n..."Daphne - thanks for the free plug! Our old name of BibleLands was never intended to be a comment on Jewish claims to the land. As a charity focused solely on supporting Christian social witness in the lands of the Bible, helping the most vulnerable and disadvantaged, we corporately take no view on the matter. I have my own views of course, and it is on this personal basis that I tweet and contribute to blogs."<br /><br />You see, this is what troubles me most about clerical and especially Christian antizionism.<br /><br />Of course Mr Moodey has "his own views". Daphne has nailed this in a phrase. That single paragraph of his that Daphne transposed here says more about "his views" than he probably realises himself. The man is in mind lock down. <br /><br />It's an easy diagnosis to make because there is so much of it about. It is because of climate change. In the worst cases there's not much that can be done about it.<br /><br />But that's not what troubles most. What troubles most is the unmistakeable but very strange odour of agnosticism from the direction of another venerable Christian institution and I most certainly do not mean that in a religious sense although you can take it that way if you like. <br /><br />" Our old name ... was never intended to be a comment on Jewish claims to the land. As a charity focused solely on supporting Christian social witness in the lands of the Bible, helping the most vulnerable and disadvantaged, we corporately take no view on the matter."<br /><br />Excuse me? <br /><br />Mr Moodey, does this mean your old British charity (that incidentally I have heard of in Australia) in 2012 takes no view on whether the Jewish state of Israel has a right to exist? <br /><br />Is it agnostic?<br /><br />{I've already forgotten the new name by the way. Speaking corporately)geoffffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056725010151459750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-70362158627522108902012-08-15T06:38:50.270+10:002012-08-15T06:38:50.270+10:00I'm on a roll
How about two arms raised with ...I'm on a roll<br /><br />How about two arms raised with eyes shut tight and mouth wide open?geoffffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056725010151459750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-46687620803292953422012-08-15T06:26:15.105+10:002012-08-15T06:26:15.105+10:00An even more appropriate logo for this British Chr...An even more appropriate logo for this British Christian NGO would be two middle fingers raised and upright in the overt direction of the persecuted and rapidly dwindling Christian peoples of the Middle East. geoffffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056725010151459750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-85394873326658352482012-08-15T06:26:12.121+10:002012-08-15T06:26:12.121+10:00They're just Muslims under a new name. I recom...They're just Muslims under a new name. I recommend we push for them to embrace sharia.Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-73944058041618812102012-08-15T06:12:49.205+10:002012-08-15T06:12:49.205+10:00A more honest logo from this British Christian NGO...A more honest logo from this British Christian NGO would be two middle fingers upright in the direction of the Jewish state and the Jewish people.geoffffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056725010151459750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-73065214062705750722012-08-14T22:15:08.068+10:002012-08-14T22:15:08.068+10:00I've copied the old logo and expanded it. Deta...I've copied the old logo and expanded it. Detail is lost, but if that's two middle fingers touching an upright pole then they are very long, very straight and rather thick fingers!Ian Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-4089795120109879542012-08-14T21:25:35.534+10:002012-08-14T21:25:35.534+10:00Ah, yes, the Foreign and British Bible Society, as...Ah, yes, the Foreign and British Bible Society, as ( believe it used to be called. btw, I have an interest in Jewish-Christian relations, which is why my blog carries posts such as this from time to time. Ian G is one of my most long-standing readers, and I value his contributions.Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-6904912558722258232012-08-14T21:16:20.947+10:002012-08-14T21:16:20.947+10:00Thanks for the clarification Daphne. I assumed tha...Thanks for the clarification Daphne. I assumed that by re-posting Ian G's comments you were endorsing them. Nothing in my post was intended to imply that younger Christians think the Bible is irrelevant. We absolutely believe in the Bible, which is why we promote a ministry in Jesus' name focused on nourishing the hungry and thirsty, welcoming the stranger, clothing the naked and healing the sick (Matt 25:31-46). But many thought that as 'BibleLands' we distributed Bibles (which we don't). Some even confused us with Bible Society!Jeremy Moodeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15913989003152756562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-74125528944792709902012-08-14T21:05:52.118+10:002012-08-14T21:05:52.118+10:00Jeremy (if I may), the blog above is effectively a...Jeremy (if I may), the blog above is effectively a guestpost by Ian G.: the words are his, and I cannot speak for him. <br />With regard to Gaza, I note that Abu Toameh, among others, has recently drawn attention to the dire plight of Christians there at the hands of the Islamists.<br />I am rather perturbed at the implication that young Christians no longer think the Bible is of relevance, and fear a Sizer-like influence may be at work, deleterious to Israel.Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-59264700952807257092012-08-14T20:04:28.204+10:002012-08-14T20:04:28.204+10:00Daphne - thanks for the free plug! Our old name of...Daphne - thanks for the free plug! Our old name of BibleLands was never intended to be a comment on Jewish claims to the land. As a charity focused solely on supporting Christian social witness in the lands of the Bible, helping the most vulnerable and disadvantaged, we corporately take no view on the matter. I have my own views of course, and it is on this personal basis that I tweet and contribute to blogs. <br /><br />We do not have a statement of faith because we are inter-denominational charity, unlike the primarily evangelical Barnabas Fund, for whose work we have a great respect. If anything, our statement of faith, and that of our Christian partners in the Middle East, is simply one Nicene creed.<br /><br />Also, if you look very carefully, there was no cross in our old logo. It was (rather impenetrably) two middle fingers touching an upright pole and creating the impression of a cross. Our new cross is more explicit, emphasising our confidence as a Christian charity.<br /><br />You are of course entitled to think that we have "lost our way", but changing from BibleLands to Embrace the Middle East had nothing to do with theology or Christian identity and everything to do with discarding a brand that no longer seemed relevant to many younger Christians in the UK and replacing it with a name which describes exactly what we do: embracing those in need, whatever their faith or ethnic background, with the compassion and love of Christ. The needs in the Middle East are enormous (your blog seems to imply that the region does not need help!) and the range and impact of Christian social witness, even in somewhere like Gaza (where Christians account for 0.1% of the population) is humbling. We want to do our part to support local Christians as they are 'salt and light' in their community. Surely you would not object to such a ministry?Jeremy Moodeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15913989003152756562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-79303188937136503482012-08-14T16:24:09.043+10:002012-08-14T16:24:09.043+10:00Here is BibleLands' chief executive's late...Here is BibleLands' chief executive's latest comment on the previous thread - it speaks volumes:<br />By what measure can Khaled Abu Toameh be regarded as impartial? He writes for the ultra-Zionist Jerusalem Post as well as the fairly loony Gatestone Institute, founded by the pro-Israel and Islamophobic neo-con Nina Rosenwald. His 2010 article suggesting that Palestinians in East Jerusalem are happy to remain under Israeli occupation is a travesty of the truth, as any street survey in East Jerusalem would surely reveal. He is probably the only Palestinian in the world who believes that illegal settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are not the principal obstacle to a negotiated peace. No wonder he is the darling of the Zionist lobby; after all, Melanie Phillips calls him an "unflinching truth-teller". Anyone with Mad Melanie's nihil obstat has got to be pretty suspect in my book.Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.com