tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post4150578967901889967..comments2023-11-05T22:12:50.570+11:00Comments on Daphne Anson: Timeline Palestine: "Is The British Museum Rewriting History?" (with update)Daphne Ansonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-81008254337473599512013-04-16T01:30:58.442+10:002013-04-16T01:30:58.442+10:00The Brits certainly used to be against Israelis wh...The Brits certainly used to be against Israelis when they occupied Israel.Not fair at all.Might not be inherant but its there just the same.If Israel falls it will be this admin. fault and obama does not care.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615048721143210756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-84799974546040040592013-04-02T22:06:43.081+11:002013-04-02T22:06:43.081+11:00This sort of thing drives me crazy as well.
The...This sort of thing drives me crazy as well. <br /><br />The number of times I have heard sermons preached, talking about events in the life of Jesus, that refer anachronistically to 'Palestine' or talk about Jesus living in 'Palestine'; when I know that during his lifetime and for nearly forty years after there was no such term in common use by anyone in the Land nor even by its Roman rulers! All one has to do is to look up the type of old bible that has 'bible land' maps in the back. Mine is a case in point. EVen though it uses the modern (and post-70 AD imperial Roman and then later on Christian European) *geographical* term 'palestine' in its caption - thus - 'palestine in the time of Christ' it then shows clearly that *at the time* the Land was divided into various named blocks, viz. Idumea (taking in part of the modern Negev), Judaea, Samaria, Galilee, and then, on the east side of the Jordan, the Decapolis and Peraea. Within the text of the New Testament there is not *one* reference to 'Palestine' - Luke, who gives us the names of assorted districts and administrators, never uses the word (he is far more careful about such things than many a sloppy-thinking modern clergyman; it was not called 'Palestine' during the lifetime of Jesus nor for another forty years after and so Luke does not call it that. It is, in fact, quite clear that none of the New Testament writers themselves thought of eretz Israel as 'Palestine' or ever called it that. So what are modern western theologians doing, imposing an anachronistic terminology when talking about those writers and their work? In my Bible's end-maps, earlier maps are labelled 'Canaan, at the time of the patriarchs', 'Canaan, as divided among the twelve tribes', 'the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel' and 'the dominions of David and Solomon'. Strictly speaking, the label 'Palestine in the time of Christ' is inconsistent with those others, because *at the time of Jesus' life and ministry the land in which he lived was NOT called 'Palestine'*.<br />It is 'Canaan'; then it is 'the land of Israel'; it is 'Judah' and 'Samaria'; it is Judea, Samaria, Galilee, with Idumea taking in the Negev to the south; and then - I suspect, *after* all the books contained in the New Testament were already written - it was renamed 'Palaestina' by the Romans, from 70 AD on. <br />It annoys me greatly, as a history-minded person who cares about accuracy, to see a term that was *only* brought into official use forty years after Jesus' lifetime projected backwards in time to a period during which no-one - not the Jews, not the Romans - actually used it. Sort of like insisting on only using the Han Chinese term for Tibet,when talking about things that happened there two generations *before* the invasion in 1949.<br /><br />And the other thing that creeps me out is when certain Christian organisations - Anglican Board of Mission is one offender - studiously avoid using the name of the modern Jewish state of Israel whenever talking about anything they are doing within its boundaries: instead, they say 'the Holy Land', or they refer to 'Israel/ Palestine' whether they are talking about ministry among Christians in the State of Israel *or* ministry within Arab-occupied Judea and Samaria, and in Gaza. It's as if they can't bear to even *say* the word 'Israel' when it refers to the polity and/ or territory of the modern Jewish state. They NEVER if they can possibly avoid it talk about Israel as such, Israel as people like us think of it. I once heard someone talking about the archaeological dig at Bethsaida - and referring to this dig as taking place in 'Palestine' (!!!). I felt like jumping up and shouting at him: " It's in ISRAEL, you fool! What's wrong with saying ISRAEL? Why does the very word 'Israel' seem to stick in your craw? "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-6220943324505496332012-08-03T03:15:29.866+10:002012-08-03T03:15:29.866+10:00and that means?and that means?The Bilateralisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01743787341396132140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-42038657241786677272012-08-03T03:14:30.034+10:002012-08-03T03:14:30.034+10:00not really fishy- the British Museum never include...not really fishy- the British Museum never includes the name Israel in either its exhibits or its bookshops which usually portray a Palestinian narrative but never one that could ever be accused of being historically unbiased (I will add the rejoinder that i have not noticed any indicators of 'unbias'on my visits to the BM over 26 years). The most recent exhibition by the BM is sponsored by Saudi Arabia and most definitely displayed an anti-Israel bias. I did not mention it but friends of mine were sufficiently outraged to want to write a letter of complaint (I don't know if they did!)The Bilateralisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01743787341396132140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-29011525633673094642012-08-01T04:48:00.982+10:002012-08-01T04:48:00.982+10:00Chapeau to IanG as well. Extremely important.Chapeau to IanG as well. Extremely important.bunuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01320965285079570306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-34729525758103726472012-07-31T09:26:59.583+10:002012-07-31T09:26:59.583+10:00Thanks for posting the update and response. I have...Thanks for posting the update and response. I have also posted the link to the www.esek.com article. Pity about the web presentation.Ian Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-40510205160742995082012-07-31T00:55:58.738+10:002012-07-31T00:55:58.738+10:00There is a very erudite discussion of the history,...There is a very erudite discussion of the history, use, and anachronistic misuse of the term Palestine here<br /><br />http://www.esek.com/jerusalem/iudaea.htmlDaphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-78269408871267815752012-07-30T19:46:17.888+10:002012-07-30T19:46:17.888+10:00Tut, tut! The English aren't inherently antise...Tut, tut! The English aren't inherently antisemitic, and the BM has had a number of notable Jewish scholars on its staff.Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-56233684713213145452012-07-30T19:24:04.731+10:002012-07-30T19:24:04.731+10:00You should find it on an entry headed "130 ob...You should find it on an entry headed "130 objects, 3,000 years of history: pharaoh exhibition opens Margaret Maitland, British Museum" and dated July 15 ( for the entry). My post is awaiting moderation although I can see it when I follow the link. If you cannot, then, as Daphne says, you've read it anyway. I'm awaiting their response. It will be interesting to see if it is visible to others. The "blogsite" link above Daphne's post works for me.Ian Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-30971069769301645702012-07-30T18:18:51.055+10:002012-07-30T18:18:51.055+10:00Isn't the British Museum English and therefore...Isn't the British Museum English and therefore, predisposed to this?YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-34951620029815400592012-07-30T17:26:07.559+10:002012-07-30T17:26:07.559+10:00A fair question. It warrants investigation, becaus...A fair question. It warrants investigation, because the fact that so impeccable an authority as the British Museum is suddenly compromising the truth seems fishy, to say the least.Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-15375156352805675902012-07-30T17:09:37.313+10:002012-07-30T17:09:37.313+10:00Who funds such exhibits? Might it be Arab money?Who funds such exhibits? Might it be Arab money?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-60441653385820039542012-07-30T16:25:59.555+10:002012-07-30T16:25:59.555+10:00Ian's comment is what I've reproduced in t...Ian's comment is what I've reproduced in the above post, Juniper.Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-3451982382326905602012-07-30T06:28:28.039+10:002012-07-30T06:28:28.039+10:00PS, Daphne, could not find Ian's comment:
http...PS, Daphne, could not find Ian's comment:<br />http://blog.britishmuseum.org/2011/07/08/the-pharaohs-are-coming/#comments<br /><br />http://blog.britishmuseum.org/category/exhibitions/pharaoh-king-of-egypt/<br /><br />???Juniper in the Deserthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05708630426785072160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-69659059076529776342012-07-30T06:21:46.167+10:002012-07-30T06:21:46.167+10:00Thank you very much for this and thanks so much, I...Thank you very much for this and thanks so much, Ian G!! I will be writing to them too!<br />The BM has been behaving in a very suspect manner for some time. In 2009 they promised not to send the Cyrus seal to Iran, as the mullahs wanted to destroy it - as they do for anything that pre-dates islam! After many petitions, last year, they quietly sent the Cyrus seal to the Iranian regime.<br />Then there came to nonsensical exhibition about islam, explaining nothing, showing nothing, but being lauded from on high!Juniper in the Deserthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05708630426785072160noreply@blogger.com