tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post1318753824373078868..comments2023-11-05T22:12:50.570+11:00Comments on Daphne Anson: Pushed Out by the Pasha: The Jewish Refugees of 1917Daphne Ansonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-70462212850565250382011-04-13T21:25:09.989+10:002011-04-13T21:25:09.989+10:00That sounds like a most interesting family, Shirle...That sounds like a most interesting family, Shirlee - and with you the apple obviously didn't fall from the tree.Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-90369217767272476642011-04-13T18:32:17.403+10:002011-04-13T18:32:17.403+10:00Spot on Daph!!
As far as I can tell, my cousins i...Spot on Daph!!<br /><br />As far as I can tell, my cousins in Israel aren't too helpful, they returned to England around 1932, as they had no money.<br /><br />By then one son had been killed in 1922, in an Arab uprising and two had been married.<br /><br />They must have been quite financially sound when they went to Palestine .<br />My zaida (grandfather ) was a Tinker and he invented the Whistling Kettle !! As my booba (grandmother) put it “He didn’t keep the numbers for long!” We presume she was referring to the patent. That’s today’s piece of useless information for you !!<br /><br />They lived in Mile End, which was quite up market back in the very early 1900s. They had a horse and buggy and a “servant”<br /><br />There was a photo around in the family somewhere, but it appears to have gone ‘walkabout’, of my zaida standing in the River Jordan. No one else in such a large family is in the least bit interested in the family history. I do have a copy of a photo that one of my cousins has, of my booba and zaida, with their five youngest children, in Tel Aviv in 1922.Shirl in Ozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08145644692590907775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-52703252814836823072011-04-13T17:51:59.314+10:002011-04-13T17:51:59.314+10:00L. King, many thanks for your long and erudite com...L. King, many thanks for your long and erudite comment.<br /><br />Shirlee, I assume they returned to Blighty later.<br />I know a few people in Oz whose families left Eretz Israel in 1928-9 owing to poor economic conditions.Daphne Ansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297188759548931101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-20973242098003978332011-04-13T10:14:36.098+10:002011-04-13T10:14:36.098+10:00That's really interesting because my grandpare...That's really interesting because my grandparents, originally from Kamenetz Podolsky, in the Ukraine, took 9 children, from England to Israel early in 1920. <br /><br />My father was only a few months old, he was the youngest, of what originally were 10 children.Shirl in Ozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08145644692590907775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-971541537715440752.post-49667552776281682812011-04-13T07:05:10.525+10:002011-04-13T07:05:10.525+10:00Thank you. That's the connection I was lookin...Thank you. That's the connection I was looking for.<br /><br />A great deal has been written on how the Armenian Genocide lead the the possibility of the Holocaust. In particular I was drawn to Professor Robert Melson's book "Revolution and Genocide" which profiled the socio-economic similarities between Jews of 1930s Germany and Armenian and Greek Christians of Ottoman Turkey.<br /><br />Both societies contained a rising entrepreneurial middle class that was selectively demonized and treated as an external threat - the Armenians because half the population lived across the border of Turkey in Russia, and the Jews who also had a significant Russian population and were labeled as Bolshevik conspirators. Yet this perception ran counter to reality as German Jews considered themselves as German loyalists and non-German Jews saw liberal German values as symbolic of the Enlightenment; Armenian Turks were more favourable towards Turkey than Russia as were Armenians on the Russian side of the border.<br /><br />The other major factor was that the NSDAP (National Socialist) and CUP (Turkish Committee of Union and Progress) were both revolutionary parties. Melson contends that the revolutionary aspect of both regimes enabled their societies to throw off the previous moral constraints of their pas - the Nazis it was Christianity's use of the Jews as a "Witness People", for the Turks it was the Pact that gave dhimmi minorities protected status. He characterizes previous attempts to realize political parties during Bismark's rule as fragmented and ultimately failing in the public imagination because these parties were in opposition to the State whereas Hitler purported to defend it. He juxtaposes this with attacks on Armenians during the reign of the Sultan Hamid II during the years 1894-96, which, though terrible, did not lead to to mass murder.<br /><br />However what really struck me was those same socio-economic conditions were there with respect to the Yishuv. And though the Mufti was stationed in Turkey during the Armenian Genocide I haven't come across anything that directly shows how he was influenced by these events.<br /><br />Jamal Pasha, military govenor of Syria, appears to provide the link. Ragheb Nashibishi, the Arab Mayor of Jerusalem provides another. He was asked French journalist Albert Londres about the 1929 riots.<br /><br />"In a way you behave like in a war. You don't kill what you want. You kill what you find. Next time they will all be killed, young and old." Later on, Londres spoke again to the mayor and tested him ironically by saying: "You cannot kill all the Jews. There are 150,000 of them." Nashashibi answered "in a soft voice, ‘Oh no, it'll take two days.'"<br /><br />Though it comes as no surprise, the intent to commit genocide was present in the Arab leadership and mindset. <br /><br />In 1948 Azzam Pasha said: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."<br /><br />At first thought this might be dismissed as hyperbole, however one has to consider that the Mongolian disaster nearly destroyed Islam - it is their equivalent to the Holocaust. Baghdad and the centre of Islamic civilization was nearly destroyed and there were millions of dead at the hands of the Mongols. The imagery used was intended to inspire action and was most certainly not accidental. Nor was it an accident that these words were directed at a population that to some not insignificant extent had just emerged a mere 3 years ago from the death camps of Europe.<br /><br />The events surrounding the expulsion from Tel Aviv in 1914 interests me. Any other source material? <br /><br />L. KingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com